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I went to my favorite range this past weekend and had a great time firing my BT 380's. I was hitting the target pretty good for a non-professional, I usually have my targets at 15 feet and move back to 35 feet, however for some reason I decided to move the target back to about 50 feet and fired my BT380cc at it. After firing 3 mags I check my target and I did hit the target ( round type of target ) but most of the hits did not look like I hit the target head on. It looked like the bullets tore into the target sideways and left a hole bigger than normal. Usually the bullets leave a hole like you would get by sticking a sharp pencil into a piece of paper.
I am not sure if 50 feet is too far for the BT380cc or my ammo is the problem.
Anyone have any ideas????

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Mornin Tony,
Your bullets are key holing at 50 feet huh? I had a high point that did that at my 21 foot target and High point replaced the barrel, and that fixed my problem. But that might not be your problem at 50 feet. None of them are key holing at your 35 foot mark?
 

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Mornin Tony,
Your bullets are key holing at 50 feet huh? I had a high point that did that at my 21 foot target and High point replaced the barrel, and that fixed my problem. But that might not be your problem at 50 feet. None of them are key holing at your 35 foot mark?
The 35 foot distance is fine only the 50 foot distance was bad, I was using the following ammo.
PPU - 94gr
Monarch - 94gr
But not sure which one was used at 50 feet.

Is this problem called Key Holing????

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Yes Tony, it's called key holing.
When it hits the target at the 50 foot mark, does it still have good penetration?
 

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Yes Tony, it's called key holing.
When it hits the target at the 50 foot mark, does it still have good penetration?
They are all paper targets the range provides to it customers so they make big holes.

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were you using hollow points or the rounds with a semi flat tip? They have a tendency to do that more often.
Still seems like a problem to call BERSA for and ask them, the rounds shouldn't be key holing at all
 

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were you using hollow points or the rounds with a semi flat tip? They have a tendency to do that more often.
Still seems like a problem to call BERSA for and ask them, the rounds shouldn't be key holing at all
I was firing FMJ round nose range ammo only. I wonder if going to a heavier round like the re-manufactured 100gr bullets i have seen ads for?

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It shouldn't be doing that regardless... Hmm ya call Bersa yet? They're not such a pain to talk to and they know plenty and will probably fix the gun for you or give ya a tip as to how. Maybe they'll just mail you a new barrel or something?
 

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It shouldn't be doing that regardless... Hmm ya call Bersa yet? They're not such a pain to talk to and they know plenty and will probably fix the gun for you or give ya a tip as to how. Maybe they'll just mail you a new barrel or something?
I will know how best to proceed on my problem on my next range trip. I will be taking 3 different brands of ammo to check out.
Monarch 380 FMJ 94gr
Remington UMC 380 FMJ 95gr
PMC 380 FMJ 90gr - My favorite ammo.
Plus a bunch of targets.

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I had a 22 that did that but it was because the barrel leaded up something AWFUL!!! I had to almost chisel the lead from the barrel. Once out -- problem fixed. Maybe try cleaning the barrel really, really good. My theory being that the rifling isn't taking effect enough at 50 ft. That really doesn't sound right but I'm grasping at straws here. :confused: Either that or too low power causing the bullets to kinda "drift" at the longer range, but, again, 50 ft. should absolutely NOT be so far that that would be a problem! Five HUNDRED feet, maybe, but 50 I'd doubt. Grasping at those straws again. Start simple with a cleaning and some more powerful ammo if at all possible. Good luck.
 

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I had a 22 that did that but it was because the barrel leaded up something AWFUL!!! I had to almost chisel the lead from the barrel. Once out -- problem fixed. Maybe try cleaning the barrel really, really good. My theory being that the rifling isn't taking effect enough at 50 ft. That really doesn't sound right but I'm grasping at straws here. :confused: Either that or too low power causing the bullets to kinda "drift" at the longer range, but, again, 50 ft. should absolutely NOT be so far that that would be a problem! Five HUNDRED feet, maybe, but 50 I'd doubt. Grasping at those straws again. Start simple with a cleaning and some more powerful ammo if at all possible. Good luck.
That is an idea, I do clean my barrel with Hoppe's nitro power solvent every couple of months however I have been using the same bore cleaning brush for maybe 10 years. I guess I will invest in a new bore cleaning brush, this brush may be worn out and another bottle of bore solvent.
I am planning on making a range trip next week with several types of ammo and targets to check at what distance the bullets tumble. I will clean after my next range trip and maybe I will know what is what...

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Mornin Tony,
Try this, get a brass pan scrubber, there is a reason to only use brass but I can't remember what it was, one like this. Unroll it and wrap it around your old brush like this, cut off the extra. Run it through your barrel a few times. It should take out any lead left in it. ONLY do this once or twice a year and ONLY when needed.
Let me know if it helps yours like it did mine.
 
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Since cleaning is gonna be #1 on your list, you might try leaving whatever solvent you use in for a while and let it sit. If you have some Ballistol, that works pretty well. I used it to clean the carbon rings from the front of a SS revolver cylinder and it worked really well. Surprised me! I left it on for about 15 minutes and it sorta "floated" a lot of the carbon particles into suspension so they cleaned right off. Hickok45 swears by the stuff and he pretty well knows his business! I tried it and like it but ANY cleaner left for a while might help out. If the lands and grooves are sorta clogged up, the spin of the bullet is going to be messed up so accuracy will suffer and very possibly it's enough to give you keyholing. Good luck!
 

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Nother good product for cleaning is WD-40. It won't get the lead out, but it will get the black out better than anything I have ever used, even in my smoke pole. A good way to test it is to clean your barrel like normal, then before you put it away, run another patch down the clean barrel with about 6 drops of oil on it. The run a clean patch down the barrel. I always see some black on it. Now clean it with WD-40, do the same with the oily patch then a clean one. No more black. Darn stuff works. WD -40 will clean it,, but it don't oil it. You still need to lightly oil the moving parts. Best thing about WD-40, you can get the oil out of the firing pin and ejector. You need to use an air hose to blow all the WD-40 and all the black out of the weapon, but it works.
WD-40 is also good for starting any engine, it's easier on it then starting fluid and it will seat any tire back on a rim.

 

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Now I've learned something! It just seems SO wrong to use WD-40 on a gun (!!!) but I know it works well to clean adhesive residue off of stuff so I guess if you clean it off real well when you're finished it could work. Hmmm.... Thanks for that tip. I'd NEVER have tried WD if you hadn't said you've tried it.
 

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I've heard not to use WD-40 on weapons for years and I never did till I was 65 years old. I just tried it one day and liked what it did. Been using it on all my weapons now for the last 2 years. BUT, I do have an air hose and blow all the WD-40 off then wipe the weapons clean. Hasn't seem to hurt any of my stuff.
 

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BUT, I do have an air hose and blow all the WD-40 off then wipe the weapons clean. Hasn't seem to hurt any of my stuff.
I don't think it would actually hurt your weapons, I think the problems come in where folks have used it for the sole lubrication and THAT caused the trouble. It evaporates and isn't really a lube in the first place. The parts seize up or the WD will turn to sticky mass (coagulate?) and it is not what you're expecting. "It went on like an oil!" but turned into a glob. I've always just used it as it was intended. But with care, I can see how it has potential as you describe your uses.
 

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Well if the wife is feeling better tomorrow since she had 2 teeth pulled Tuesday, I will be heading out to the range for some fun and serious testing of my Bersa. I sure hope some of the suggestions I received and implemented works to keep my bullets from Key holing around 35 feet.

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Mornin Tony,
Let us know how it works out and what you did.
 
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