For what purpose? Pocket carry? IWB carry?I know the the p3at by keltec is a lot lighter, but whats the big difference other than that? Are the Bersa guns reliable? Thinkin on gettin one. HG
The LCP is basically a copy of the P3AT.Is the P3at the same as the Ruger LCP??
I have no track record with the LCP, but all the P3ATs i have shot have been 100%. They have been around longer to work out any unforseen issues also.I wonder if the LCP or the p3at is more reliable?
Any premium JHP from a major manufacturer will be fine, as long as it works reliably. I use Gold Dot.I might go buy me a p3at this evening. What ammo do you guys use in 380 for a decent defense round?
The Kel Tec is DAO (Double Action Only). It cannot be cocked manually, therefore making it impossible to be a single action gun.:smt1099The Bersa 380 Thunder is a double action, has a external hammer which you can cock, with a round in the chamber, or take the saftey off and fire. Each time fired the hammer is in the cocked position. The Kel-Tec is a single action, round in he chamber where the hammer has to travel the entire distance each time you fire which makes it less accurate IMO. Correct me if I am wrong.
SA (Single Action) = the trigger feels the same, always. The trigger pull is short, and can be pretty light.
DAO (Double-Action Only) = the trigger feels the same, always. The pull is usually long and relatively heavy. This is a useful option, for instance for a pocket-carry pistol.
DA/SA ("Traditional" Double Action) = in a semi-auto, the trigger feels long and heavy for your first shot, and then switches to relatively short and light for all subsequent shots. Some people find that the transition from DA first shot to SA subsequent shots negatively affects speed and accuracy. But in a revolver, you have the choice of DA or SA for each shot, at your option, and pay no transition penalty.
After getting my CCW recently I have been thinking along the same lines. Although, I limited my choices to Kel-Tec P3-AT vs. Kel-Tec PF-9. I opted for the PF-9, had some issues out of the box and have sent it back for repair. Having had it for a few days my observation is that even on a large frame guy (6'-2"/285#) the PF-9 is NOT a pocket gun. However, in a deep IWB holster it should be infinitely more concealable than my Beretta 92FS!pocket carry p3at or lcp. iwb either xd9sc or glock 26 I believe for ultra concealable. I've been hunting down the pocket carry/ultra concealed and these would be my choice IMO.
:smt083Well,I got some of it backwards. Sorry! I think you knew what I was trying to say. I meant the harder it is to pull the trigger the less accurate. I have the Colt Cobra in my avatar and when you cock it, it is the most accurate gun i have as opposed to just pulling the trigger. (I hit a basketball 5 of the 6 at 50yards.) in the cocked position. Pretty good shooting for a old man HUH. Good info. THANKS.:smt083The Kel Tec is DAO (Double Action Only). It cannot be cocked manually, therefore making it impossible to be a single action gun.
Steve summed up the difference pretty well in a past thread:
Accuracy has more to do with the user than with the trigger action. Practice, practice, practice...:smt023:smt083Well,I got some of it backwards. Sorry! I think you knew what I was trying to say. I meant the harder it is to pull the trigger the less accurate. I have the Colt Cobra in my avatar and when you cock it, it is the most accurate gun i have as opposed to just pulling the trigger. (I hit a basketball 5 of the 6 at 50yards.) in the cocked position. Pretty good shooting for a old man HUH. Good info. THANKS.:smt083
What was wrong with your PF-9? I was thinking of getting one, actually. Either that or the PF-11. How does it handle with other 9 mm you have shot?After getting my CCW recently I have been thinking along the same lines. Although, I limited my choices to Kel-Tec P3-AT vs. Kel-Tec PF-9. I opted for the PF-9, had some issues out of the box and have sent it back for repair. Having had it for a few days my observation is that even on a large frame guy (6'-2"/285#) the PF-9 is NOT a pocket gun. However, in a deep IWB holster it should be infinitely more concealable than my Beretta 92FS!
Knowing that Kel-Tec will probably have my PF-9 for a month or more, and getting frustrated with carrying my Beretta, I may just go back and pick up a P3-AT as well. It just seems like the logical thing to do![]()